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14 December 2014 @ 03:05 pm
mangacat201 brought this up, in regards to my recent episode tag, This Could Be the Saddest Dusk, and it got me thinking:

What IS going on with the human souls and reapers and stuff right now? Is Heaven still locked up tight to new arrivals? Is Metatron's spell still active? Is the Veil getting over-populated by wayward souls? Are the reapers tapping their toes in boredom and annoyance? (Or are they just getting jobs as taxi drivers to kill the time?)

Let's hear it. What do we think, gang?
Current Mood: curiouscurious
Current Music: 'Circuital' - My Mourning Jacket
Amberamberdreams on December 14th, 2014 08:11 pm (UTC)
One of my burning questions...show hasn't mentioned the Veil and all that at all which makes me think they've forgotten they ever mentioned it.
They never really gave us a lot of information about it in the first place so whatever we come up with could be true...
cassiopeia7: Sam&Dean: thinky thoughtscassiopeia7 on December 14th, 2014 08:42 pm (UTC)
(Or are they just getting jobs as taxi drivers to kill the time?)

. . . and this is why I adore you. :)

I think the writers either have forgotten about the veil situation -- or made the mistake of thinking that WE would forget. I should think Metatron's spell is still in existence -- wouldn't he have to turn it off? (On the other hand, Hannah returned quite easily to Heaven, so the angels are no longer cut off, but who knows?) As far as the Reapers go, well, have we even seen Death since the beginning of S8? Idjit writers destroyed an awesome character had Tessa defect to the "other side," then killed her off. Other Reapers may have met the same (offscreen) fate. And what about Kevin? They can't NOT resolve that situation.

I'm really hoping the issue is revisited and TPTB doesn't just toss in a bit of exposition that has everything magically fixed offscreen.

Though that is exactly the sort of thing they would do. >.<

And if they DO revisit the veil issue, I hope they don't turn it into a rehash of S6 and have anyone absorbing / absconding with the souls, because that would just be WRONG.
The indefatigable Mrs. Griffinquickreaver on December 14th, 2014 10:05 pm (UTC)
Revisiting the Veil would be an EXCELLENT excuse to have Osric back on, so I reeeeeally hope they come up with something interesting to explore on that plane. What does the Prime Material Plane look like to ghosts, anyway? Does it depend upon their level of sentience? It might be cool to do something with the various 'grades' of ghosts, too. There are residual hauntings (supposedly), which are just memories stuck in a place. There are ghosts who don't even know they're dead (Molly, way back in...S1? S2?) And then there's the fully aware ones, like Kevin.

Oh! And astral travel! Dooood, there's so much they could do with this. If only.
Icarus was a test pilot: Sam and Deangalwithglasses on December 14th, 2014 09:34 pm (UTC)
I think Hannah said they made the doorway to Heaven at the playgound permanent but I don't know if that's for angels only or not.

The reapers all got cab driver jobs in New York City or driving those small transport carts at O'Hare airport. Is that Hell adjacent? Depends on the day and the weather, probably. The New Yorkers who drink endless cups of coffee while chain-smoking and only wearing black know that New York City is part of the Veil already. The Ferry Man had to get a job taking folks out to Staten Island.

Seriously, Kevin though, he's stuck here until somebody does a salt and burn on his Dad's ring. (I think it was a ring.)
The indefatigable Mrs. Griffinquickreaver on December 14th, 2014 10:07 pm (UTC)
NYC is definitely Hell adjacent, in my book. Oh noes, I'm getting a reaper plot bunny...
Icarus was a test pilot: Deamongalwithglasses on December 14th, 2014 10:34 pm (UTC)
I was going to make a joke about there being a Hell gate on Wall Street but I thought maybe that was going too far. Hell's Kitchen is available though.......
cassiopeia7: Sam: devilishly deliciouscassiopeia7 on December 14th, 2014 11:54 pm (UTC)
The Hell Gate is most definitely located at 111 Wall -- trust me, I used to work there. XDDDD
monicawoe: Bucky smokingmonicawoe on December 14th, 2014 11:14 pm (UTC)
The portals are in the subway tunnels, btw.
Trust me, the smell's a dead giveaway in the summers ; )
cassiopeia7: AbFab: Pats and vodka!cassiopeia7 on December 14th, 2014 11:53 pm (UTC)
The Ferry Man had to get a job taking folks out to Staten Island.

I detect brilliance in these here parts!
mangacat201mangacat201 on December 14th, 2014 10:04 pm (UTC)
*strokes imaginary mustache*
I like how I find indomitable questions to ask fandom and fandom immediately goes to task on answering them, even though it's really difficult. Reapers are totally another thing. And Death can't be happy with the current soul traffic jam situation, I mean, we do know him as a stickler for the rules. Can someone send Julian by the writers' room one of these days to knock their heads together about that? That would be awesome.
Bimbo Baggins: SPN: Why we can't have nice things.cherie_morte on December 14th, 2014 11:44 pm (UTC)
I'm Mulder, She's Scullyrunedgirl on December 15th, 2014 03:13 am (UTC)
Cousin to LOL CANON I presume...
Bimbo Baggins: Gen: IT'S SCIENCEST.cherie_morte on December 15th, 2014 03:14 am (UTC)
They are at least related enough to be incestuous. I know what counts.
I'm Mulder, She's Scullyrunedgirl on December 15th, 2014 03:15 am (UTC)
Most definitely :)
I'm Mulder, She's Scullyrunedgirl on December 15th, 2014 03:15 am (UTC)
I have no speculation, but let's hope they haven't forgotten entirely that Kevin is the veil, at the very least. Too optimistic??

I just love that this conversation so quickly devolved into comments that made me entirely too happy that fandom is fandom and WE are awesome. :)
thursdaysistersthursdaysisters on December 15th, 2014 04:58 pm (UTC)
Maybe everyone's going to Hell and that's why the black girl prisoner from the last episode got in trouble for Houdini-ing souls. A sort of Underground Railroad deal.
The indefatigable Mrs. Griffinquickreaver on December 16th, 2014 06:24 am (UTC)
Yeeeeeah, I don't think so... ;)
balder12balder12 on December 16th, 2014 04:47 am (UTC)
My guess is that we're probably meant to think that when the angels regained access to Heaven at the end of S9 the human souls did too. It seems like something Cas and the other good angels would've made their first priority, and since he hasn't mentioned it I figure it's resolved. I also feel like at a certain point Death would probably be displeased by the disruption of the natural order, and he strikes me as powerful enough to fix it himself if he was so inclined.

That said, I think the writers have left enough ambiguity that if at some point they decide they want it to be an ongoing problem, they can still plausibly go back to it. Assuming it's resolved, I'm disappointed we didn't get any kind of button on Kevin's story--I feel like he got the least satisfying death of any significant character on the show.
The indefatigable Mrs. Griffinquickreaver on December 16th, 2014 06:21 am (UTC)
This, exactly! I was operating on these very assumptions. But one can never be sure. Like, ever. ;)