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18 November 2012 @ 02:59 pm
This is likely to stir up a hornet's nest, but I'm in the mood.

Okay, shipping. What exactly does this entail? Is there a mandatory sexual element? Must there be? And just because a segment of fandom adheres to a particular ship, should The Powers That Be and the actors involved in the fantasy ship be obligated to listen to/tolerate/agree with this shippery?

Little back-story: I listened to an interview with Misha Collins on Winchester Radio
a few days ago and they took caller questions, unscreened. (Probably not the wisest idea.) The last one was courtesy of a weepy young lady who was desperate for Misha to comment on 'Destiel'. He hemmed and hawed and tap-danced around it, she kept pushing, and it all ended up feeling very awkward. About the same time, an essay
popped up on my tumblr dash concerning how good it is that shipping come out of the closet, particularly for the LGBT community (with specific reference to Destiel).

Now, my brother is gay. I read NC-17 slashy fanfic. I'm not a homophobe but as a woman married to a dude, I'm in no position to adjudicate what it's like to be gay or bi. Nor do I feel like we, as a fandom, have the right to bully the show's writers/actors into compliance with ANY of our wishes unless they damned well feel like addressing the topic. And if certain fans are too socially ass-backward to suss out when they're making someone uncomfortable, do we not have the right to comment? Do we not have the right to put a foot down?

There's been a lot of talk about 'shaming' ... ship-shaming, kink-shaming, etc. and how we shouldn't tolerate it. We're all freaks of some stripe; who are we to judge? But there ARE LINES, folks. When we begin to make someone else uncomfortable, we need to back the fuck off and rethink our tactics. Criminy, put yourself in their shoes. Yes, you have the right to say what you want. Guess what? SO DO THEY.

Please don’t shove your ship in anyone’s face and expect them to put their blessing on it, especially not in public. Please don’t assume that shipping is some greater societal statement. Write your own story; let others write theirs.

All comments welcomed, but pleeeease, stay civil, 'kay?
Current Mood: contemplativecontemplative
Current Music: 'What If We Give It Away' - REM
YohkoB: Jensen-Seriousyohkobennington on November 18th, 2012 08:13 pm (UTC)
It's simple: shipping should stay in FANDOM.
It's not or will never be CANON. We do not need it to be in the show just because "it's good for the LBGT". NO sorry, SPN was never about this, why should it be now? And by that I mean a couple in love relationship (any kind) to be the main thing in it. The show has already supported the LBGT. Did we forgot about Charlie? And how well they did this by for the first time NOT focusing in the character's sexual preference as the main point? That's what I want from a show, to make the gay and lesbians part of the society, as if it was the most normal thing ever. Which it is, people are just stupid and close minded but whatever.

And like you say, there is a line. These type of people like that girl make it seem like all they want from SPN is a Novela. Go fucking watch channel 4 pls. This is SPN; it's pain, and blood, and gore, and urban legends, and about two brothers journey and the people the meet.

Srsly every time something like that interview happens, I want to find the person and bury them six feet under. This is beyond ridiculous now. And they make the actors uncomfortable to answer about this crap because again: SPN is not about that!

i'm on a website where people fuck fruit: domestic!Dean1geckoholic on November 18th, 2012 08:19 pm (UTC)

It's all fun and games until we involve people outside of fandom. That's not fun and not cute and not something I even WANT the actors etc. to know much about, to be honest.
YohkoB: Jared-Seriousyohkobennington on November 18th, 2012 08:24 pm (UTC)
Like I want to sit Jensen, Jared, and Misha and tell them: I'm so sorry some people in this fandom are so immature and crazy. SO SORRY GUYS! God bless you.

Just because they play sometimes, doesn't mean that us as strangers to them get the right to be this rude and stupid.

Here is the line------------------------------- don't fucking cross it.

The indefatigable Mrs. Griffinquickreaver on November 18th, 2012 08:42 pm (UTC)
Sing it, sister. *fistbump*
The indefatigable Mrs. Griffinquickreaver on November 18th, 2012 08:34 pm (UTC)
It's kinda like "Our Thing", right? We can write/draw whatever we want in our little world and our fellow fans can enjoy it or not. It's freeing. But what is it about some folks who want to show this stuff to the actors or Powers That Be? Do they really think it'll make them embrace it? More likely, it'll make them avoid it all the harder.

Like tsuba said above, they gave us Charlie. They're aware and appreciative. But they're not gonna make SPN something it isn't: a romance. That's OUR jobs. ;)
tifachingtifaching on November 18th, 2012 09:46 pm (UTC)
It's simple: shipping should stay in FANDOM. This. It's sad that there are so many people out there who actually believe that their ship is real and not just something dreamed up by fandom. *And they believe it to the point that they get truly upset when it's not validated by the actors or show runners.* Ship who you want is my feeling on the matter, but keep it in the realm of fandom. I stay far away from anything actor related and can't imagine someone bringing up any of this with one of them.

*Edited bit.

Edited at 2012-11-19 04:18 am (UTC)