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18 November 2012 @ 02:59 pm
Thinky-thoughts...  
This is likely to stir up a hornet's nest, but I'm in the mood.

Okay, shipping. What exactly does this entail? Is there a mandatory sexual element? Must there be? And just because a segment of fandom adheres to a particular ship, should The Powers That Be and the actors involved in the fantasy ship be obligated to listen to/tolerate/agree with this shippery?



Little back-story: I listened to an interview with Misha Collins on Winchester Radio
a few days ago and they took caller questions, unscreened. (Probably not the wisest idea.) The last one was courtesy of a weepy young lady who was desperate for Misha to comment on 'Destiel'. He hemmed and hawed and tap-danced around it, she kept pushing, and it all ended up feeling very awkward. About the same time, an essay
popped up on my tumblr dash concerning how good it is that shipping come out of the closet, particularly for the LGBT community (with specific reference to Destiel).

Now, my brother is gay. I read NC-17 slashy fanfic. I'm not a homophobe but as a woman married to a dude, I'm in no position to adjudicate what it's like to be gay or bi. Nor do I feel like we, as a fandom, have the right to bully the show's writers/actors into compliance with ANY of our wishes unless they damned well feel like addressing the topic. And if certain fans are too socially ass-backward to suss out when they're making someone uncomfortable, do we not have the right to comment? Do we not have the right to put a foot down?

There's been a lot of talk about 'shaming' ... ship-shaming, kink-shaming, etc. and how we shouldn't tolerate it. We're all freaks of some stripe; who are we to judge? But there ARE LINES, folks. When we begin to make someone else uncomfortable, we need to back the fuck off and rethink our tactics. Criminy, put yourself in their shoes. Yes, you have the right to say what you want. Guess what? SO DO THEY.

Please don’t shove your ship in anyone’s face and expect them to put their blessing on it, especially not in public. Please don’t assume that shipping is some greater societal statement. Write your own story; let others write theirs.

All comments welcomed, but pleeeease, stay civil, 'kay?
 
 
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Charity: [Sam] sam needs bigger cupscherry916 on November 19th, 2012 08:16 am (UTC)
It's not really an issue of homophobia (which is another topic that annoys me because that word is taken so lightly in fandom and used without reverence to what they're actually saying to people just urhg we have ENOUGH homophobia in the world as it is without fangirls trying to shove it where it doesn't belong or dear god try and claim the writers/actors are actually homophobic)

But like someone else said it's common sense and human decency. While, Misha does like to troll with fandom and talk about both Destiel and Sassy on occasions he likes doing so on his time. I think it's really rude to shove it in his face like that. I know a lot of shippers don't intend it to come across this way but it's kind of saying 'so I don't care about your acting or the storyline or anything else but I DEMAND you talk about this fanon ship to better suit my shippers heart' I know they don't mean it to come across that way but it does.

I'm in agreement with the majority. Shipping should stay in Fandom. If only because A) while Misha doesn't mind joking (I mean hell he admitted to going on tumblr. So it's not like Misha is THAT out of loop with fandom) Jensen and Jared though honestly do not care. They are not as IN the know as Misha is and don't fully understand shipping to begin with past their characters banging each other senseless. They don't see what shippers pick up nor can we try and force them to understand because at the end of the day shipping isn't really what the show is about.

I mean why would you need outside reassurance? I don't want to insult or be mean to ANYONE but that's coming off as a bit desperate. I assure you there are enough scenes that could be taken as homoerotic subtext and PLENTY of shippers to fully exploit that subtext for you to be satisfied with keeping things in fandom.

Honestly, we've been through this so many times before and gee IT NEVER HAS ENDED WELL. Misha doesn't like to have Destiel shoved upon him, more so liking to 'troll' on his own time and Jensen and Jared don't necessarily like talking about ships at all. It's just awkward all around, not only for J2 and Misha sometimes but for other fans as well because it makes us all seem like we're like that which we are not.

Sigh, sigh, sigh sorry for the long comment this is just one subject that irks me to no end. But please lets keep fandom in fandom.