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18 November 2012 @ 02:59 pm
Thinky-thoughts...  
This is likely to stir up a hornet's nest, but I'm in the mood.

Okay, shipping. What exactly does this entail? Is there a mandatory sexual element? Must there be? And just because a segment of fandom adheres to a particular ship, should The Powers That Be and the actors involved in the fantasy ship be obligated to listen to/tolerate/agree with this shippery?



Little back-story: I listened to an interview with Misha Collins on Winchester Radio
a few days ago and they took caller questions, unscreened. (Probably not the wisest idea.) The last one was courtesy of a weepy young lady who was desperate for Misha to comment on 'Destiel'. He hemmed and hawed and tap-danced around it, she kept pushing, and it all ended up feeling very awkward. About the same time, an essay
popped up on my tumblr dash concerning how good it is that shipping come out of the closet, particularly for the LGBT community (with specific reference to Destiel).

Now, my brother is gay. I read NC-17 slashy fanfic. I'm not a homophobe but as a woman married to a dude, I'm in no position to adjudicate what it's like to be gay or bi. Nor do I feel like we, as a fandom, have the right to bully the show's writers/actors into compliance with ANY of our wishes unless they damned well feel like addressing the topic. And if certain fans are too socially ass-backward to suss out when they're making someone uncomfortable, do we not have the right to comment? Do we not have the right to put a foot down?

There's been a lot of talk about 'shaming' ... ship-shaming, kink-shaming, etc. and how we shouldn't tolerate it. We're all freaks of some stripe; who are we to judge? But there ARE LINES, folks. When we begin to make someone else uncomfortable, we need to back the fuck off and rethink our tactics. Criminy, put yourself in their shoes. Yes, you have the right to say what you want. Guess what? SO DO THEY.

Please don’t shove your ship in anyone’s face and expect them to put their blessing on it, especially not in public. Please don’t assume that shipping is some greater societal statement. Write your own story; let others write theirs.

All comments welcomed, but pleeeease, stay civil, 'kay?
 
 
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Current Music: 'What If We Give It Away' - REM
 
 
 
Chill McGundear_tiger on November 19th, 2012 08:48 pm (UTC)
I wanted to drop in my two cents to this really interesting discussion! Though I might have something of substance to say only on one subject. We actually just had this discussion at work with some friends, not about fandom, but about starting these incredibly uncomfortable conversations with people who are on the clock, out of some miserable need for validation. This DESTIEL (or whatever other ship) shoved into actors' faces is basically us assuming this position of a Fan/Customer/Patient and cornering people who are bound by some professional code of conduct. They have to be nice to us! Maybe Misha Collins won't get fired for not being nice to a fan, maybe he won't get his pay cut, maybe he won't be kicked off the show, but hell, whatever the consequences may or may not be for him, he's working, for fuck's sake. There's professional behavior that comes with that. And I suspect that weepy maidens like this Destiel caller realize that this is one situation in which they can't get shot down, no one can laugh at them or discredit their idea. So yay, let's corner them and demand affirmation!
The indefatigable Mrs. Griffinquickreaver on November 20th, 2012 02:07 pm (UTC)
Yup. It's like the fan/customer/patient is trying to corner the professional, through embarrassment, into compliance! I HOPE HOPE HOPE we can continue to discourage this and gently teach the overzealous person (fan, whatever) to maintain respectful boundaries.

If we want to see more LGBT characters on the show (or heck, a wider representation of the world's demographics, period), we should compliment the Powers That Be on great characters like Charlie, instead of cajoling the writers to make changes to canon characters, based on our fandom proclivities. Our fantasies are our fantasies, and Carver can't make everyone happy, all the time.
Chill McGundear_tiger on November 20th, 2012 02:20 pm (UTC)
...And he really shouldn't try to make everyone happy. Tell your story, don't mind us too much.

I have some issues with Charlie as a character on the show, but those aside, YES, we need LGBT characters like that. Imo, the show has actually done a pretty great job with whatever few gay characters it had. They were in the episodes for some other purpose, not for their gayness, they had other roles to fulfill that weren't Representation and LGBT Issues.

BOUNDARIES, omg yes, BOUNDARIES!